[J Ulch (DetroitBlues)]

Once again, Gibson did it again. Almost verbatim to my idea, Gibson has created the Gibson Les Paul Gothic II Morte. With exception to the pickups (that didn't exist two months ago) and a cheaper fretboard wood (that also didn't exist), I thought up the design of this guitar. No bones to us. Might as well stop suggesting anything as they won't recognize it as you can see from the moderator above who asked for proof then provided no further contact when proof was presented. SHAME ON YOU GIBSON!

Here's my idea:
http://4henry.gibson...aul-plan-stock/
Here's the guitar:
http://www2.gibson.c...thic-Morte.aspx


You tell me, is this not my idea, again?

[R May (largedude)]

OK, here's why the "I thought of this first on the 4henry forum, give me a trucker hat and a shirt" posts aren't going to be well-regarded, either from corporate or by forum membership.

Gibson's a multi-billion-dollar, international company.To protect themselves from being sued for these exact matters, they come up with designs in-house, and spend stupid-crazy cheddar on patent attorneys who make sure the paperwork is tight.

Anyone who's serious about feature designs will have to understand that anything based on a Gibson/Epi/whatever is the property of Gibson. "Let's do this to an LP"? That's a Gibson. "Let's have a artist sig model of an SG"? Gibson. Even if they hired a design consultant, that person's work, their sketches, their doodling circles on a notepad during meeings, virtually everything would be Gibson property. That fact would be part of any contract agreement, in bold letters, highlighted and sticky-tabbed, and initialed by everyone on both sides.

Any serious design person would know how important patents, trademarks, and protecting original work is. Gibson does, and they've got the legal budget to enforce that protection. If you somehow thought of an idea for something that actually came out later on, and didn't file for a design patent originally, there's no 'provenance' -- no proof on paper that you, Joe Schmoe, were the original creator of that idea on so-and-so day of such-and-such a year. You can't prove that the idea was yours, and that somebody swiped it. Sorry, a post on a forum page is not strong enough to stand up in a court of law.

[D Thompson (rockstar232007)]

R May (largedude), on 10 March 2011 - 03:35 PM, said:

OK, here's why the "I thought of this first on the 4henry forum, give me a trucker hat and a shirt" posts aren't going to be well-regarded, either from corporate or by forum membership.

Gibson's a multi-billion-dollar, international company.To protect themselves from being sued for these exact matters, they come up with designs in-house, and spend stupid-crazy cheddar on patent attorneys who make sure the paperwork is tight.

Anyone who's serious about feature designs will have to understand that anything based on a Gibson/Epi/whatever is the property of Gibson. "Let's do this to an LP"? That's a Gibson. "Let's have a artist sig model of an SG"? Gibson. Even if they hired a design consultant, that person's work, their sketches, their doodling circles on a notepad during meeings, virtually everything would be Gibson property. That fact would be part of any contract agreement, in bold letters, highlighted and sticky-tabbed, and initialed by everyone on both sides.

Any serious design person would know how important patents, trademarks, and protecting original work is. Gibson does, and they've got the legal budget to enforce that protection. If you somehow thought of an idea for something that actually came out later on, and didn't file for a design patent originally, there's no 'provenance' -- no proof on paper that you, Joe Schmoe, were the original creator of that idea on so-and-so day of such-and-such a year. You can't prove that the idea was yours, and that somebody swiped it. Sorry, a post on a forum page is not strong enough to stand up in a court of law.

This!

Just look at all the legal stuff they had to go through before they could actually produce the LP itself...and it was THEIR guitar!

[D Thompson (rockstar232007)]

Double post.

[D Thompson (rockstar232007)]

Triple post.

[J Ulch (DetroitBlues)]

All I'm saying is that you'd think Gibson would be more thankful to their fans for assisting them with design ideas. Wouldn't think sending someone $10 in swagger isn't asking much....

[J Tee (jeffwith1f)]

J Kimble (FLICKOFLASH), on 21 December 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

What are we seeing in production which can be credited to here ?

Moderne XI?
of course, we should believe that when we see it, and I'm sure the thread here was not the first to ask for another Moderne Reissue, just another voice on the pile. if we helped make it happen (if it happens) then I'm happy for everyone.

I think my original post about the walking billboard thing may have come across wrong. There are only a couple of things that I'll willingly shill on my body. Gibson guitars are one of them. I literally and happily am a walking advertisement for the company. I don't mind it when other people do it for things they like as well, the problem for me is when people do it unwittingly.


at any rate. swag me up. it would not go to waste or go unappreciated.

[r akers (wrick)]

Maybe acknowledge the forum or group that the concept first came about in the product description,just a idea.Hey,still think it wouldnt hurt them to throw in a t- shirt or hat when you purchase a new guitar.T-shirt (cost about 5 bucks to get made) billboard,cheap marketing.

[R May (largedude)]

r akers (wrick), on 10 March 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Maybe acknowledge the forum or group that the concept first came about in the product description,just a idea.Hey,still think it wouldnt hurt them to throw in a t- shirt or hat when you purchase a new guitar.T-shirt (cost about 5 bucks to get made) billboard,cheap marketing.

In a situation like this the old parental stiff-arm comes to mind: "If I gave one to you, I'd have to give one to everyone."
How do you thank an entire internet forum? How many Judah Freidlander hats or really bad 'Ed Hardy inspired' T-shirts do you think would have to be made up and mailed out? The postage alone would kill their profits.

Besides, Gibson's public acknowledgement of a person who "inspired" a guitar idea would leave the door wide open to a lawsuit, if that person didn't get satisfactorily compensated for that inspiration. Excuse the pun, but they could lose their shirts.

[r akers (wrick)]

(LARGEDUDE) No mention of a T-shirt to anyone or group that come up with ideas,just acknowledgement that the fans and customers helped bring a product to light.Maybe a free Gibson USA T-shirt or hat when a NEW GIBSON guitar or bass is purchased.Not a unreasonable request as both sides win.

[J Ulch (DetroitBlues)]

That's what I thought. And the latest....



Look under the heading new les paul finish

[r akers (wrick)]

(Detroitblues),There is no doubt that you brought that idea up on this forum.You might have been the first but, they would just say coworker thought it up.Sad because alot of ideas could be put forth here and to give some credit to the forum or group would do alot for them and the group.Dont think they would give a person credit for it as that could cost them.That flood swirl finish was a great idea,it looks nice.Thanks

[P Petiniot (Blues4U)]

If you joined this site and gave your ideas willingly (which I have as well) and didn't think if it was a good idea, they would pimp it, you're a fool.

This is Gibson's site--they own everything on it, including the ideas we have all given willingly to help improve a brand we love-

I have seen much implimented that was at least loosely and at times a straight up copy of the ideas thrown around this site--

THIS IS WHY HENRY STARTED THIS SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE-Henry knew that there would be a lot of stupid ideas thrown around, but he also knew there would be 5-10 very good ideas hatched through this site-He sucked everybody in, did a mind meld and added a little bit of input and frankly, hasn't been seen or heard from again--

I didn't make one suggestion with the thought of gaining anything, including a hat or shirt-I made my suggestions, complaints, praise ect. with the hopes that maybe one of my ideas could be used to help put Gibson back on track-

Here's a novel idea--They could have taken all of the people, members that were here from the beginning, making suggestions, posting thoughts and ideas and said "To show our appreciation, we will give away 1 guitar of the winners choice to those that helped, or at least tried to help put us back on track" or they could give away 3 lesser guitars--do a random drawing and do some paint scheme that acknowledges the commitment of the membership--

The not being seen or heard from again is the most telling piece of the puzzle--Tells a lot about the man, to me at least- Don't say he is busy--We are all busy and I don't have a crew of minions to do my bidding--I need something done, I have to do it myself--I am just as busy as Henry--He just wears better suits--